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HomeMy WebLinkAbout08-15-2001 GOLF MINUTES I . • ,�'� � �✓� � . ; ; ,� : '���'� �� . . ������ CALDWELL GOLF BOARD • ADVISORY BOARD MEETIDIG Auqust 15, 2001 CITY HALL COUNCIL ROOM MF:MRF.R $ ATTEND ING Boyd Cooper Chairman Shirley Akagi Vice-Chair*nan Fran Craeger Women's Association Representative Dan Rowell Elvin Simpson Shannor. Ozuna Council Representative Loraine Navis 1 '�'�F RS UNABLE TO ATTEND Larry Rick Men's Association Representative Jeff Osgood STAFF ATTENDING Johr_`G7atson Purple Sage Professional Lenny Stroup Fairview Professional Gord� Crockett Golf Course Superint2ndent STAFF UNABLE TO ATTEND • GUESTS Faye 6Vashburn AGENDA 1) Chairman's Report 2) Report from John Watson 3) Report from I,enny Stroup 4) Repert from Gordy Crockett 5) New Business Chairman Cooper called the meeting to order and took the ro11 call 1) CHAIRMAN'S REPORT Cooper introduced Mrs. Faye Washburn to the board. She had asked for a few minutes t�me to address the board. Cooper told the board that Mrs. Washburn had an unpleasant experience at Fairview Golf Course where an employee told her that she was inappropriately dressed and therefore could not play. Mrs. Washburn was embarrassed and humiliated even though she was told later she could go ahead and play. She wrote a letter to the Caldwell Mayor explaining what happened to her and saying that the city needed to get both courses unified in their policy because she had played at Purple Sage in the same outfit without any problem. The Mayor asked Lenny to write a letter of apoloqy to Mrs. Washburn. Cooper read the letter to the board (copy attached). Cooper then asked Mrs. Washburn if she would like to address the board. Mrs. Washburn thanked the board for the opportunity to speak to them and • said she had received Lenny's letter and that she accepted the apology. Mrs. Washburn said she had golfed at all of the area gol.f courses without any problem. Cooper thanked her for coming to the meeting. Mrs. Washburn left the meeting. • Cooper said the board would now discuss the dress code policy. He asked Lenny for his comments. Lenny said that unfortunately he was not in the shop when the incident happened. He said his employee had evidently not been very tactful. Lenny took exception to a couple of Mrs. Washburn's statements. He said they do not ask every person for a drivers license when they rent a cart. Lenny said a sign with the d�ess code is posted in the clubhouse. IL states that men must have on shirts with sleeves, no tank tops allowed. The sign says women must have on an appropriate top. I Cooper told the board that he had read back minutes since 19°4 looking for references to a dress code. He only found twc places where a dress code was discussed. Ceoper said these references te a dress code were pretty vague, and no votes were taken. He asked the board for comtr.ents. Lenny said he knew that it had been decided that men's shirts must have sleeves, no tank tops allowed. Most of the board me:nbers agreed that this was the way they remember the code. Cooper asked John Watson for his comments. Cooper said that Mrs. Washburn said she playecl at Purple Sage in the same attire �s the one she wore at Fairview and nothing was said about it not being appropriate. John said he was very interested in enforcing the rules He said that they always address any complaints made about the way people are dressed. Dan Rowell said to John that it was his recollection that we didn't want to set any rules as rigid as some country clubs have. He said he thought we decided that men's • shirts must have sleeves. He said that John had said that we shouldn't set any hard and fast rules as far as women were concerned and that he would police it out there. Dan asked John if we had a dress code sicn at Purple Sage . John said that we have a sign that says almost exactly what Mr. Cooper just read, that shirts were required � at all times. Dan Rowell said or_e fellow in his league has always worn tank tops. He wondered why John has allowed this. �ohn said some tank tops are not as offensive as others are. Dan said that a tank top is a tank top and if we are going to ban them it includes all of Lhem. Cooper asked how many young people come to play in tank tops. Shirley Akagi said in defense of Lenny's employee, John Stein was there and said that it was handled professionally. He said that in his opinion, Mrs. Washburn was not dressed appropriately. He said she had on a spaghetti strap top. Shirley said that River Bend is going to have the same policy as the Caldwell courses have for next year. Shirley said she saw :Lenny tell a young girl in spaghetti top and her boy friend in a tank top that they could not play dressed that way. They went to their car and returned with shirts on. E1vin Simpson said he saw some young fellows playing without shirts on at Fairview. Lenny said they have to tell young fellows to put their shirts on all the time. Dan Rowell asked Zach Wagoner, Purple Sage employee, how many people tried to play in tank tops. Zach said just a handful. Cooper asked Zach if had seen Mrs. Washburn at Purple Sage. Zach said he had and they felt she was dressed O>K>. John and Lenny said they have found a source for obtaining cheap T-shirts. The cost • is just a little over one dollar. They want to buy a supply of these shirts and give them to people who do not have proper shirts. �-.. . �� i ' f • Cooper ask2d if anyone ka2w ;ahetn2r th2 otner courses in the ,ralle� iet men �la� in tank tops. �ohn GJatson said he would call around and find eut. Dan Rowe11 made a motior. that men must wear shirts with sleeves, no tank tops allowed, and that we have T-shirts available to give people who are not dress up to this ccde. Shirl2y Akagi seconded the motion. Dan said he didn't know what to say about the ladies wear. Loraine Navis said she tnought the ladies should be the same as the men because we shouldn't discriminate. Shirley Akagi said that low cut spaghetti s�rap tanK tops shoulci be totaily banneci. i John Watson asked if this is legal, John said he didr.'t know if he could tell a lady to but on a bra if she wasn't wearing one. E1Jay Waite says the city of Caldwell has a dress code that does not tell people what thev can wear, but if it offends other people they take issue with it anci ask that person to make a correction. John G7atson said that if we are going te make a policy, it needs to be such that we can post it and everyone kr.ows exactly what it is. It can't be some vague policy since there are thousands of different types of teps that ladies can wear. Semehow you're going to have to spell that out so we're not left hanging. Lenny said that this issue is going te draw out too long, and suggested that we table the issue until next meeting. In the meantime he and John Watson will survey around the vGlley from Ontario to Mt. Home and see what other courses are doing for a dress code. Maybe we don't need one. Maybe we just leave it wide onen and do as the city does. If we see a person that we feel is nct dressed apprepria*ely we give them a T-shirt and te11 the, that next time they srould dress correctly. • Dan Ro�aell said he had a motion on the floor a_�d he thought we should vote on it. The motion had been made by Dan and seconded by S��irley that we adopt a poiicy thaL absclutely no tank tops can be worn by men. Shirts must have sleeves. The r.lotion carried by unanimous vote. The dress code for ladies is put or_ hold until next meeting. Elvin Simpson made a motion, seconded by Dan Rowell that we let the pro shops buy T- shirts to give to people who are inappropriately dressed. The motion carried by unanimous vote. Ceoper told the beard that Lenny wanted to discuss the rental cart situation. He said that Lenny didn't think Purple Sage was enforcing the policy that you have to be 16 to drive a cart. John Watson said that he didn't rent carts to anyone who isn't 16. He said adults often let children drive the carts once they are out of sight of the clubhousz. John said he thought this was more of a private cart issue. Cooper said Jeff Osqood had told him that his 13-year son drives his personal cart. Jeff said that he had a large personal liability policy that protects him. ElJay said he would check with the city attorney and see what the city policy should be. Cooper said that Dan Rowell, at the last meeting, had asked if E1Jay would attend the next meeting and give a report on the financial situation of the golf fund. ElJay said that when all the expense projections are made for the next 5 years he would bring a new report to the board. 2) REPORT FROM JOHN WATSON John said that we are still 1$ down for the year but he thinks we still will end up ahead Dan Rowell asked if he could get a copy of John's financial report. Cooper . told John that after the meeting he could go down to the city clerk's office an� � • . ! they would make copies of the report and :e could give cne to Dan and anyone else . who wanted one. 3) REpORT FROM LENNY STROUP Lenny said that people tell him that Pur�_e Saqe does not enforce the no children under six can be on the course rule. Jo:z said they do try to enforce the policy. He said people sometimes lie about a chi_d's age. Lenny said he had a letter from Gayle Zec�an asking fo= a refund on her golf pass which her husband gave her for Christmas. She has not used the pass and her doctor tells her she will not be able to play ac�in. It was decided to give her a refund. Lenny is to take care of this. Lenny said Fairview was down a bit in revenue for July and is still down slightly for the year. 4) REPORT FROM GORDY CROCKETT The new restroom is under construction ar.� hopefully wi11 be finished in the next month. Gordy said the new irrigation system at r�=�view has really helped keep the course green. 5) NEW BUSINESS • Dan Rowell suggested that we write a letter to the men and women's associations and ask for their help in picking up trash a_���nd the clubhouse and on the course. He said he thought it would make a great di�=erence if all our members made an effor� to keep the course clean. Dan also said �:at the ball w�shers snould to be refilled with water more often. No more business, meeting was adjourned. � ! ti 1 i August 11, 2001 � Mrs. Faye Washburn 1552 W, Dakota Loop Nampa, (daho 83686 Dear Mrs. Washburn, Regarding your letter of August 4, 2001 sent to Mayor Nancolas. Please accept my sincere apology for the inconvenience and embarrassment you suffered on Tuesday, July 31, by an unfortunate interpretation of the dress code policy of the Caidwell golf courses. The Caldwell Golf Board has set a policy to be foliowed by both golf courses. Unfortunately this is not always equally enforced because of the different individuals involved. What is appropriate attire can vary in the eyes of different people. It puts a burden on the people working in the pro shops to have to make this judgement. To err is human and sometimes they make the wrong call. The Caldwell Goif Board meets the third Wednesday nf each month. The next meeting will be Wednesday, August 15 The pubiic is wefcome to attend these meetings. if you should desire to discuss this incident further please feel welcome to attend and present . your views to the board. A review of the dress code po(icy wiii be on the business agenda. Again, please accept my apology for this unfortunate incident. I hope this can be put to rest without any further hard feelings. I hope you will golf with us again at Fairview as we do value your patronage. Sincerely yours, Lenny Stroup PGA Professional F�irview Golf Course �CJ �.oyd Cooper, Chairman Caldwell Goif Board � ;�llayor Garrett Nancolas �