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Home My WebLink About03-01-1994 GOLF MINUTES t � IRRIGATIOIV MEETING TUESDAY, MARCH 1,1994 IRRIGATION MEETING SP0IVSORED BY CALDWELL GOLF BOARD WAS HELD IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS CITY HALL. GAYLON COATES,IRRIGATION CONSULTANT CAME FROM ARIZONA TO AIVSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED IRRIGATION AT PURPLE SAGE GOLF COURSE. MEETING WAS CALLED TO ORDER BY CHAIRMAN DOIV TOLLEY AT 7:00 P.M. CHAIRMAN DO1V TOLLEY INTRODUCED MAYOR DICK WINDER. � MAYOR WINDER THEN INTRODUCED COUNCIL LIAISOIV JERRY LANGAN,MAYORS'ASSISTANT JIM REAMES AND FINANCE DIRECTOR LISA THOMPSON. CHAIRMAN TOLLEY THEN 'INTRODUCED PRO LENNY STROUP, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR BILL SCHWINN GOLF COURSE SUPT. GORDY CROCKETT GOLF BOARD MEMBERS: GEORGIA HERSH, SHIRLEY AKAGI,BILL MOAD,MIKE GARMAN JOHN HOUSTOIV ALSO PRO JOHN WATSON. GOLF BOARD MEMBERS NOT IN ATTENDANCE: KRIS INOUYE & LLOYD NELSEN. CHAIRMAN TOLLEY OPENED MEETING BY STATING PURPOSE OF MEETING WAS TO BE AN INFORMATIVE DISCUSSION ON PROPOSED IRRIGATIOIV SYSTEM. CHAIRMAN TOLLEY THEN INTRODUCED GAYLON COATES,THEIV TURNED THE MEETING OVER TO MR.COATES. MR.COATES,WHO IS AN INDEPENDANT CONSULTANT,OPENED BY SAYING HE WAS HERE IN MAY OF 93" TO LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND GOLF COURSE. HE CAME TO SEE AND EVALUATE SYSTEM TO SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED TO BE MADE.IS IT? THE CURRENTSYSTEM AN EFFICIENT SYSTEM OR NOT? THE GOAL , IS TO PUT DOWN AN EVEN BLANKET OF WATER. THE OBJECT OF A EFFECTIVE SYSTEM IS TO PUT DOWN 1 1/2 INCHES OF WATER FOR 7 DAYS. THE EVAPO-TRANSFERATION RATE IS HOW MUCH WATER TURF USES IN A DAY AND REPLACE ONLY THAT AMOUNT OF WATER. ON THE CURRENT SYSTEM THE SPACING WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. TURF QUALITY VARIED DUE TO WATER OR LACK OF WATER. DIFFERENT AREAS OF COURSE REQUIRE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF WATER( TEES, GREENS CENTER OF FAIRWAY, EDGES OF FAIRWAYS ETC. THE PIPE SIZING CURRENTLY IN THE GROUND IS TOO SMALL. TURF IRRIGATIOIV IS I�10W AN EXACTING SCIENCE, PIPE SIZING WAS NOT APPROPRIATE TO WATER IN 8 or 9 HOURS, WHICH IS IDEAL. THE CURRENT SYSTEM SPRINRLERS SPACING, SIZE OF PIPE WERE PROBLEMS. WITH CURRENT SYSTEM YOU COULD NOT WATER EFFECTIVLY AND HAVE COURSE READY FOR PLAY (DRY ENOUGH). THE PUMP STATION IS THE HEART OF THE SYSTEM AND IS UIVDER SIZED FOR THE AMOUNT OF SPRINKLERS CURREIVTLY ON THE COURSE. CONTROL SYSTEMS (CLOCKS) NOT VERY ACCURATE, AS TEMPERATURE AFFECTS PERFORMANCE. TO CORRECT THE ISSUES AERIAL PHOTOS WERE TAKEN AND A PLAN LAID OUT. SPACING,PROGRAMING AND PIPING MUST BE CORRECT TO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE SYSTEM. THE PUMP STATION MUST MEET THE NEED. WHEN ALL IS DOIVE AN EXACT PRICE NEEDS TO BE DONE. BIDDING SYSTEM VERY GOOD RIGHT NOW, INTEREST RATES ARE LOW,BUT MATERIELS CONTINUE TO RISE AT A RATE OF 8g TO 10� A YEAR.( PIPES, SPRINKLERS ETC). THIS SYSTEM WILL HAVE A COMPLETE (P.C) TO MANAGE IT. IT EFFECTIVELY APPLIES WATER ONLY WHERE YOU WANT IT. BY HAVING A SYSTEM LIKE THIS IT WILL DIRECTLEY AFFECT THE QUALITY AND PLAYABILITY OF GOLF COURSE. s PAGE 2 A�T THIS TIME MEETING WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR QUESTIOIVS: TONY WEITZ: ARE TOTAL REMOVING OF EXISTING PIPES NECESSARY? MR.COATES: ALL NEW EQUIPMENT PUT IN NEW SYSTEM : MAIN LINES WILL BE TRENCHED AND LATERALS WILL BE PULLED: THE OLD SPRINKLERS AND CLOCKS WILL BE SALVAGED. CANNOT USE EXISTING PIPE DUE TO SALVAGE PROBLEMS AND COST. OLD PIPE DOESN'T HOLD UP FOR USE. OLD PIPE NOT CORRECT SIZE. s DICK FRAZIER:THERE HAVE BEEN SOME NEW PIPES AND SPRINKLERS PUT IN THE LAST 2 to 3 YEARS, WHY CAN'T OLD PIPE AND SPRINKLERS BE USED: MR. COATES: ITS PURELY A MATTER OF DOLLARS AND CENTS: DICK FRAZIER:WHY ARE ROUGHS BEING SPRINKLED? (IN NEW SYSTEM) MR.COATES THATS WHAT I WAS COIVTRACTED TO DO. I HAVE PUT IN A NEW SYSTEM AT "PINECREST" LIKE THIS. DR.WOLFE: ARE THE PEOPLE AT PINECREST HAPPY WITH THE JOB? MR.COATES: YES, THEY HAVE EVEN PUT IN ANOTHER JUST LIKE IT, THEY ARE VERY PLEASED. LORRANE NAVIS: THEY HAVE A NIGHT IRRIGATOR? MR. COATES: WITH THIS SYSTEM A NIGHT IRRIGATOR IS NOT NEEDED. KORRINE SWORD: DOES COMPUTER HAVE A WARNING SYSYTEM IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG? MR.COATES: WITHOUT A COMPUTER,SYSTEM IS 65$ TO 70$ EFFECTIVE. YES, THIS SYSTEM WILL GIVE INDIVIDUAL FEED BACK FROM EACH SPRINKLER�..� RECORD ANY PROBLEMS AND WHERE. WITH COMPUTER IN SYSTEM IT BECOMES 95� TO 100� EFFECTIVE. TOIVY WEITZ: YOU CAN'T RUN A SPRINKLER SYSTEM FROM A COMPUTER. HOW CAN YOU CONTROL THE WATER? WHEN WEATHER PATTERNS VARY HOW DOES THE COMPUTER KNOW? MR,COATES: YES THERE IS A BUILT IN WEATHER STATION A1VD EVAPO TRANSFER MONITOR. OF COURSE THE SUPT. NEEDS TO CHECK THE COURSE AND GIVE THE COMPUTER INPUT. LORIS NAVIS: WHAT IS LONGEVITY OF THIS SYSTEM? PURPLE SAGE HAS HAD 3 SYSTEMS IN 30 YEARS. MR.COATES: THE CONTROL SYSTEM WHICH IS SOLID STATE WON'T WEAR OUT BUT THE SOFTWARE WILL NEED TO BE UPGRADED. SPRINKLERS WILL WEAR OUT FROM NORMAL WEAR. THE NEAT THING IS THAT COMPUTERS ARE CHEAP RIGHT NOW. AFTER PUTTING THIS SYSTEM IN , YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO EVER RE DO SYSTEM. DICK FRAZIER: WILL THIS LAST 20 YEARS? WILL YOU GUARANTEE SYSTEM? WHY DID THE OLD SYSYTEM HAVE TO BE RE DONE? MR.COATES: THIS MEETIIVG WAS NOT HELD 30 YEARS AGO: GORDY CROCKETT: IRRIGATED ROUGHS MAKE A NICER LOOKING GOLF COURSE. IT IS EASIER TO MAINTAIN ROUGHS IN GRASS THEIV IN WEEDS. PAGE 3 DON TOLLEY: A GENERAL FIGURE WAS GIVEN TO US FOR THE NEW SYSTEM AS DESIGNED ROUGHLY $800,000 to 1.2 MILLION IN SEPT 1993. MR.COATES: I DON'T KNOW WHY THINGS WERE DONE AS THEY WERE . MATERIALS TECHNOLOGY ARE MUCH IMPROVED AS WELL AS TECHNIQUE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. ADDITIONS WERE MADE TO BANDAID A SITUATION. I RECOMMEND ITS NOT DONE THAT WAY AGAIN. THE INSTALLATION WILL BE DONE TO LEAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SCARRING. GEORGE WEITZ: YOU COULD SPEND 2 MILLION , BUT THE SOIL COIVDITIOI�IS ARE SO BAD IT WON'T MATTER HOW MUCH YOU SPEIVD. MR.COATES: CERTAIN TYPES OF FARMING ARE DIFFERENT THE1V TURF MANAGEMENT TURF NEEDS SMALL MORE FREQUENT WATERING. BR*G1��+ WILL THERE BE A NEED FOR DAYTIME SPRINKLING WITH NEW SYSYTEM? MR. COATES: HOT SPOTS WILL HAPPEN. PERCULATI0IV IS DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT SPOTS. REGULAR AERATION PRACTICES STILL IVEED TO BE DO1VE ON A REGULAR BASIS. MR ? . ARE THERE A1VY PLANNED CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS (PONDS ETC) MR.COATES: THIS SYSTEM WAS LEFT FLEXIBLE TO HANDLE THAT. KAYE AKAGI: WHAT IS TOTAL NUMBER OF ACERS BEING WATERED UNDER NEW SYSTEM. VERSUS THE CURRENT (OLD) SYSTEM? MR.COATES: THE CAPACITY OF THIS SYSTEM IS MUCH GREATER. THE WHOLE ACREAGE CAN BE WATERED MORE EFFECTIVELY USING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER. SUPT. CAN KEEP SOME LEVEL OF GERMANATION IN ROUGHS. HE CAN WATER WHATEVER PART OF COURSE YOU WANT. GORDY THERE IS A TOTAL OF ROUGHLY 144 ACRES TOTAL CURREIVT SYSTEM WATERS ROUGHLY 85 ACRES. MR. COATES: IF IRRIGATION LAWS SHOULD CHANGE AND RESTRICTIONS PUT O1V �p�,� COURSES WITH THIS SYSTEM YOU CAN PICK JUST HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO WATER AS MANDATED BY REGULATIONS. IT WOULD NOT BE WISE TO ELIMINATE INSTALLATION OF ROUGHS AT THIS TIME AS THE COST TO PUT IT IN NOW WITH THIS PLAN IS NOT VERY EXPENSIVE GORDY BUT IF IT WAS TO BE ADDED LATER THE COST WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. RIGHT NOW WE ARE OUT OF TIME TO WATER GOLF COURSE. WE NEED TO START AT 6:00 P.M. AND WATER RUNS UNTIL 8:00 A.M. IF WE ADDED TO CURRENT SYSTEM WE WOULD POSSIBLY WATER UNTIL NOON OR LONGER. MR.COATES: IF YOU WATER EFFICIENTLY YOU CAN TAKE SAME QUANITY OF WATER BUT WATER MORE AREA. DICK FRAZIER WHEN WILL THE BIDDING BE DONE? DON TOLLEY: ONCE FINANCING IS ARRANGED, BIDDING CAN BE DONE. DICK FRAZIER: W HAT KIND OF FINANCING? DO1V TOLLEY: THERE ARE FOUR WAYS TO FINANCE,BANKS, SAME AS CLUBHOUSE WAS DO[�E . � PAGE 4 LORIS �AVIS: WHEN WILL SYSTEM BE INSTALLED AND HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE? MR.COATES: 3 TO 4 MONTHS DEPENDING ON METHOD. THE QUICKER THE CHEAPER QUESTION: HOW WOULD THE COST OF GREEN FEES BE AFFECTED BY NEW SYSTEM? DON TOLLE NORMAL ._ INCREASE IN FEES WILL HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT NEW SYSTEM. DICK FRAZIER: WHO WILL DECIDE IF S�STEM WILL GO IN? DON TOLLEY: CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR HAVE FINAL WORD. MR.COATES I AM RE DOING POCATELLO(RIVERSIDE) SHADOW VALLEY, COEUR D ALENE. I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS STATE AND AM SENSITIVE TO YOUR ISSUES. DON TOLLEY GOLF IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND : GOLF SPENDS ITS OWN MONEY: GOLF IS SELF SUPPORTING: EVERYTHING IS DONE BY YOUR FEES NOT TAX DOLLARS: MIKE GARMAN: MIKE WANTED IT KNOWN HE IS FOR THE SYSTEM AS PLANNED: JOHN HOUSTON HAD THE SAME SENTIMENT: BOB BURRELL HOW MUCH DID GOLF COURSES MAKE LAST YEAR? DON TOLLE NO FIGURES PRESENTLY AVAILABLE. AUDITORS HAVE �OT GIVEN REPORT. MAYOR WINDE LISA ,JIM REAMES & MYSELF ARE MEETING WEDNESDAY MARCH 2 WITH AUDITORS. GOLF COURSE IS AN ENTERPRISE FU�D AND FINANCIAL RECORDS ARE PUBLIC,COME TO CITY HALL ANYTIME. LORIS NAVIS: I'M NOT AGAINST NEW SYSTEM BUT WILL IT TAKE CARE OF WET ALSO DRY SPOTS? DON TOLLEY THIS SYSTEM AS DESIGNED SHOULD BE THE BEST JOB POSSIBLE. LAST YEAR WE WERE VERY LUCKY DUE TO THE COOL WET SUMMER. YOU PEOPLE HAD A BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSE TO PLAY. GORDY DOES A WONDERFUL JOB WITH HIS BUDGET. IF WE CAN GET FINANCING THEN THE BIDS WILL BE TURNED OVER TO THE COUNCIL. LORIS NAVIS: WILL THE BID REFLECT WITH OR WITHOUT ROUGHS? MR.COATES: INFRASTRUCTURE MUST BE PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SYSTEM SUCCESSFUL IF ROUGHS DONE AT LATER DATE WILL BE VERY EXPENSIVE, JUST BECAUSE ROUGHS ARE IN ,YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THAT PORTION OF SYSTEM. BOB BURREL WHO WILL DO THE BIDDING? DON TOLLEY MR.COATES HAS BATTERY OF PEOPLE TO DO BIDS. LORIS NAVIS: ANY LOCAL PEOPLE? MR.COATES NO, THE PEOPLE I USE DO THIS PARTICULAR M�T�OD ALL OVER THE WORLf9- THEY ARE MORE THEN QUALIFIED. ELKO HAD LOCAL PEOPLE TRY TO INSTALL THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND NEARLY RUINED THE GOLF COURSE. A ROOKIE WILL WRECK YOUR INVESTMENT. THIS SYSTED4 WE USE LEAVES VERY LITTLE SCARRING. , PAGE 5 DON TOLLEY: THANKED PEOPLE FOR COMING TO THIS FORUM. FELT IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL AND THI�KS IMPUTS LIKE THESE ARE GREAT FOR THE LONG RANGE PLANNING. RIGHT NOW THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM HAS TAKE� UP ALL THEIR TIME AND ENERGY. DON AGAIN THANKED EVERYONE FOR COMING. AFTER FINAL AUDIT THE BALL WILL GET ROLLING AS TO BID PROCESS AND FINANCING. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:30 P.M. ATTACHED IS LIST OF PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE. CORRECTION OF MINUTES ON PAGE 3 ON BIDDING: DON TOLLEY: ONCE BIDDING IS DONE THEN THE FINANCING IS ARRANGED. CORRECTION OF MINUTES ON PAGE 4 ON BIDDING: DON TOLLEY:MR. 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