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A vote was taken and the motion carried.
There being no further business to come before the Council; it was moved by Councilman Harrison,
seconded by Councilman Banks, that the meeting recess until 8:00 P. M. on October 17, 1966. A vote was taken
and the motion carried. The meeting recessed at 10:30 P. M.
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COUNCIL CHAD1BERS
OCTOBER 7, 1966
11:15 A. M.
The Council met pursuant to call and acknowledgement of notice in the following form:
We, the undersigned Mayor and Members of the City Council of the City of Caldwell, Idaho, do hereb
acknowledge notice of a Special Meating of the said City Council to be held in the Council Chambers in the
City Hall in the City of Caldwell, Idaho, at the hour of 11:15 A.M., on the 7th day of October, 1966, for they
transaction of all business in connection with the following objects: to consider payment to contractor on
new Fire Station building, to consider lease of acreage at Purple Sage Golf Course, and to hear an appeal on
a decision of the Golf Board of Control.
Witness our signatures this 7th day of October, 1966, Q
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Mayor N. E. "Coley" Smith presiding.
Upon Hall Call, the following Councilmen answered present: Charles C. Banks, William S. Harrison,
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V. Jay Martin, and C. A. "Chet" Davenport. Absent: James W. "Bill" Keys and Charles W. Carpenter. i
Payment to contractor on construction of Fire Station approved
Mayor Smith presented a certification from Lewis Keys of Smith & Keys, Architects that, in accord-
ance with the terms of a contract executed the 31st day of August, 1966, by and between P`mery Conner,
contractor, and the City of Caldwell, owner, for construction of Caldwell Fire Station; there would be due
and payable from the owner to the contractor, upon the 5th day of October, 1966, the aum of Sixteen thousand
three hundred twenty nine and no(100 ($16,329.00) Dollars.
It was moved by Councilman Banks, seconded by Councilman Martin, that payment to Phsry Conner,
(contractor, be approved in the amount of $16,329.00 as certified by Smith & Keys, Architects. A vote was I
taken and the motion carried.
Lease to be offered to Wilbur L. Andrew on acreage at Purple Sage Golf Course
Mayor Smith referred to a request previously received by the Council from Wilbur L. Andrew (refer
to minutes - Page 109) for lease of 7.5 acres of farm ground on the Southwest corner of the Purple Saga Golf
Course. He stated that he hadn't received the Board of Control's recommendation in writing but, as he under-
stood it, the Board of Control had recommended to the Council that the Oily lease the ground to Mr. Wilbur L.`
Andrew for a period of three (3) years on a rental basis of $55.00 per acre per year.
Mr. Earl Lovan, representing the Board of Control at this meeting, was present and in answer to the
question, he confirmed the correctness of the recommendation as stated and added that they would like to see 6 J
this money go into a special fund to develope the ground after the three years were up or whenever it could
be developed.
Mayor Smith informed Mr. Lovan that this latter suggestion was a good one only that it wasnft legali
for the City to do so; that the money received from the rental would have to be placed into the General Fund l
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as a part of the Golf Department income with appropriations made for expenditures from the General Fund re-
cognizing the source. He further explained that special funds could not be accumulated in this manner but
that there was a provision to be prasenned in the re- codification of municipal laws, if approved by the State
Legislature, which would allow for the accumulation of monies in a special fund for specifically designated
purposes through means of a two mill levy for a limited period of time.
Councilman Davenport stated that it was the Board's thought that i, would probably be at least
three years before any overall comprehensive plan of development of the land, for a park or otherwise, could
possibly be finalized.
Councilman Carpenter entered the meeting at this time.
Other matters discussed was the matter of not being able to have trees started at this time, a
proposal for a three par nine hole course on this portion of the property; and whether or not any commitment
had been made, at the time of the construction of the golf course, for the development of a park on this
property.
It was then moved by Councilman Davenport, seconded by Councilman Banks, that Wilbur L. Andrew be
offered a three year lease at a rental of $55.00 per acre per year with the water to be furnished by the Cit,
A vote was taken and the motion carried.
Some discussion followed as to the method o2 payment of the rental and it was agreed that the
amount could be made in two equal payments each year with one being made at the beginning of the year and one
in the fall of the year.
Councilman Keys entered the meeting at this time.
Appeal of decision of Board of Control on use of Golf Courses for practice and cross country meets
Present at the meeting for and concerning an appeal to.the Council of a decision of the Golf Board
of Control on use of the City Golf Courses for practice and cross country meets were Don Parmelee represent-
ing the College of Idaho, Earl Lovan representing the Board of Control, Jim Guy representing the Caldwell
High School and C. A. "Chet" Davenport representing the City Council on the Board of Control.
Mayor Smith informed those present that Mr. Dick Carrow of the College of Idaho had asked for a
hearing before the Council to appeal a decision by the Board of Control denying the College and the High
School the use of the Purple Sage Golf Course and the Fairview Golf Course for practicing and for holding of
cross country meets. He stated that he wanted to make it perfectly clear that Mr. Carrow had been a perfect
gentleman about this and was not the slightest bit hostile; that he felt he had been treated couteously by
the Board of Control but he was upset because there had been some use of these courses without permission
previously with it never occuring to anyone that there would be any problem about it. The Mayor stated that
he thought it was right and proper that there should be a decision made; that he also thought these things
were a matter of public relations between the entities and the City had always had a good relationship with
them and this was why they were present at this meeting. The Mayor further stated that he had called this
meeting without pressure because he thought it was important for them to understand each other and he though'
it was important for the Council to make the final decision on it. Mayor Smith added that he understood the
College was slateing a meet for the 21st and that the High School was also scheduling a meet.
Jim Guy explained that they had a meet scheduled for today but that he bad talked with Councilman
Davenport and they were going to have it at Luby Park so they were not interested in holding a meet at Purple
Sage this year although they did hold one there last year and that cross country meets were held on almost
all the courses in the State of Idaho.
Mr. Earl Lover, speaking for the Board of Control, stated that. "We feel that this naturally is a
golf course and if we allow a cross country meet on the courses and let them practice on the courses, not
only the College and the High School, but then we will be advised to let every other High School in this area
to do the same thing because they are all part of the area and if we let that happen, we feel that there will
be other organizations that will want to do something along the same idea on it and where do we stop? Like 1
say, it is a golf course; it was built for that purpose and I feel that it should be left for that purpose.
Last year they did hold a meet and as I get it, I didn't even know it, they ran around the perimeter of the
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golf course and not on the golf course. This year they want to use the fairways because this is the only
where it makes sense evidently, I don't know, and we feel that they would possibly not injur the fairways bul
we just don't want to see something started that we are going to have trouble stopping in the future and we
feel this is exactly what will happen. Basicly this is it."
Mayor Smith then mentioned seine discussion concerning the Golf Pro being a little upset about what
his duties were pertaining to such an event and also a: report of some unsupervised college activity at Purple!
Sage when the boys went swin¢ning in the pool. He added that kids would be kids and they were not being
totally critical of this.
Councilman Davenport stated that they weren't unsupervised as Mr. Carrow was present and had per-
mitted the boys to go swimming in the pond. Councilman Davenport then stated. "Actually I think that if j
there ever is any agreement made that they should not be permitted to tarry out on the golf course as in thi
particular case because they are holding up play I'm sure on number one; if they were along the bank, they
would at least cause some disturbance as far as the golfers are concerned. I've had one man tell me that out,
on the Fairview Course, be was teeing off on number four, and here came a man out in the middle of the fair-
way running right up toward the tee; he waited and made his shot and it went out of bounds. Then he asked
this boy what are you doing out here running right up on the golfers? Why, he said, I'm a member of the P
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cross country team. So it looked like he had preference over the golfers or at least that was the impression
that was given to this fclfer. Now, I think another point that should be emphasized is this. The golf
courses are still open and no one ]mows when people are going to show up to play golf. They can come anytime,
and the courses are open to the public. When they do come and pay their fees, they are entitled to play nine;
holes out here or the eighteen out there, unrestricted. They can start on number ten with the Golf Pro's
permission or otherwise they have to start on number one. During the normal course of golf play there are
certain regulations prohibiting anyone cutting in ahead of golfers going across the fairway to get over to
another tee ahead of the golfers. This is not permitted because it is disturbing to golfers on the course 11
and I'm sure, you people who play golf, you don't want to be disturbed when you are playing. So this is go- u
ing to be activity on the golf course when the course is open and when people are playing golf. Now, if you �I
do it in the afternoon when there wasn't going to be anybody out there, that would be a different thing, but II
who knows when people are going to show up to play golf and I think that when they come in and pay their fee 11
to play eighteen holes of golf, they should be able to play their eighteen holes, not to be told to play the ;I
first nine twice because there is something else going on of extra curricular activities. Now, that is II
another feeling and I'm sure, a feeling of the Board."
Mr. Don Parmelee coramented in that he would have rather to have had a chance to talk with the
officials of the College before this meeting which he had understood would be on the 17th of the nonth but
he hadn't been successful in making an appointment with the president. With reference to what had been said
by Councilman Davenport, he stated: "I agree in this and certainly if our runners are inhibiting the players
like the gentleman you mentioned down on the Fairview Course, this is among. This is our fault, assuming we '!
had permission, we would have to correct it and if we couldn't handle it, then certainly be dismissed but as
for the other cases, you can have a tournament out there and a person can pay fees and be restricted to one
,nine holes," In answer to the comment of hlr. Lovan that they were playing golf, Mr. Parmelee stated: "Yeh,
but they are still playing golf too if they are paying fees and for one hoar, if we happen to have one meet
'a year as we do this year, they are still playing golf. This is just my opinion and, of course, Jim, we'll
be in cahouts together because as we invision facilities, they should be used. For instance, even to basketball coaches, coaches, if they build a gymnasium and put basketball lines on it, they don't want anything else h
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on that floor. They don't want to vse it for badmitten, volleyball, or anything; they just want it for
basketball. This is rediculnus. If you've got space, use it, and when facilities are limited like they used
to be before the Purple Sage, wa used downtown for everything - fireworks and parking cars, whatever dsmanded
but we were using space and using the facility for the benefit of a lot of reople, and so it is here. Grant - ;
�ad, there might be a couple of restrictions but to me it is a great waste and it is a wonderful place to have
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a meet. I have a copy of our national here and here's where they all meet in Omana. They had the national
on a golf course and, as Jim stated, they are doing this all over." Fir. Parmelee also mentioned Crane Creek.
Councilman Banks stated that this was a private course too and that makes it all the more reason
why this should be for multiple use. He stated that when we say this is going to be jaed just entirely for
golf, he thought they had plans for a larger clubhouse, a swimming pool and tennis courts out there
eventially in the future and that he thought that was in the original plans. Councilman Banks further stated
"I really think it should be made available for multiple use and the Mall amount of time I think this is -
I truthfully think this should be made available to them. I know that most other golf courses are. tow,
when you say Nampa is going to have application and Valivue, they are just as apt to go to Nampa as they are
to come to Caldwell."
In answer to the question of how many man were on a team, Mr. Guy stated tjat they would run 35 or
40 and it was difficult to operate a cross country program; that as far as the cross country program himself,
he could care leas, but he still thought that it was his duty as representative of the school to defend the
right of 15 kids to have the opportunity to have one _meet a year. He stated: 1 'Now, if we are going to
participate in a league and in State meets and so on with other people, we have to have adequate facilities
and it is just a common practice ai the time of year when the golf courses are not abundantly used and, of
'course, as you say we just got through cooperating with the work - I have spent quite a little time getting
ten caddies to participate from the school - in this particular thing. We traded facilities, line markers,
and I had to go get them and take them back and so on. I mean, it kind o- scratches whole back. We like to
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cooperate both ways and we are not demanding any practice time. I play golf myself and I would be real dis-
turbed if they had a whole bunch of cross country kids or a golf course every night I went to play but the
right to reciprocate one meet with other cities in the area on an adequate facility is a little hard for me
'I not to defend as an atheistic director for Caldwell High School."
In answer to the question, Mr. 3uy explained that oroas country in high school is two miles and he
Isaid that they were fortunate in Boise in the fact that they have Ann Morrison Park which is large enough;
�Ithat they were going to run a meet at Luby Park voday and they would have to run the same course four times
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with it being flat ground which actually /no cross country test. Iir. Guy stated further that last year they
ran one meet after be had contacted the Golf Pro for percdssion and he said that: "they started and went up
-- number one and went down to where they have the restrooms; they went back at number five tee, along the edge
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:of the road ahere car,, drove in when the course was unavailable; went clear around the far side of number fou
green; went back down the fairway; went behind number three green; they went dots that roadway on this land
you were previously discussing; went around the ditch; and run down the hack of the practice fairway on the
'right side of the clubhouse."
Some further discussion followed concerning the chances for possible damage to the greens and fair-
ways, etc., when Vayor Smith explained that ii:.en you have a Board that operates as wall as the Golf Board of
i Control does, the Council naturally has a lot of confidence in their opinion but that, on the other hand,
they were a recommending board with the City Council having the power to change their decisions which they
would all do with any Board quite relunetantly. He stated that there were two premises here - that, if every
Councilman here agreed that they thought the Board of Control was right and this should not be allowed, then
there would be one thing left that might be considered and; he thought this had been considered by the Board
and turned down; but he thought Mr. Carrow does have a commitment for this meet and the Council could give a
little consideration to an allowance for this one meet tbat the College had scheduled. He stated further
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that he was not recommending it but that he was mentioning it as a possibility for consideration of the
Council should they decide to accept the report of the Board of Control and just not have any further use of
the Golf Courses for cross country meets, practice, or anything else.
IC Parmelee answered in that it was difficult to speak for Mr. Carrow in this regard and they did
have the meet scheduled, which like anything else, could be cancelled. He staled however, that: "We are
trying to start a program and there is no sense in perpetuating the program if there isn't anyplace to hold
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it. This is, for the most part in this area, a pretty new activity but it is going on all over the country
just like wrestling started a fei* years ago - cross country is getting the same way. For the most part it is
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a training program for your track team as we don't have any cross country, we just have four basketball
players that are getting in shape for basketball; maybe three bonified runners but we are starting because
our conference is going into it. It is going to be a conference meet but if there is no place, we are eigber
going to have to find someplace or forget the program. I can hardly speak for Dick because he set this
schedule up and I don't know what his commitments are but I'd hate to have a meet and get everybody hopped
up and then that was it."
Mr. Parmelee further coaumanted in that probably a regular schedule would include ten and for the
most part, because of money, they were going to stay as close as they could. They would be at Treasure Valle
NNC, and Boise College although Boise College didn't have a team now but would have pretty soon and there
might be two or three meets a year.
After some further discussion by the Council; it was moved by Councilman Davenport, seconded by
Councilman Martin, that they- uphold the action of the Golf Board of Control. A roll call vote was called f0
when the following Councilmen voted in the affirmative: Keys, Martin, and Davenport. Negative votes: Banks;
Harrison, and Carpenter. The result being three affirmative votes and three negative votes; Mayor Smith
stated that in his official capacity he couldn't vote against the Board of Control and that if he didn't feel
that may about it, there wouldn't be much reason to have appointed them. He then cast his vote in the
affirmative and declared that the motion had carried.
It was then moved by Councilman Banks, seconded by Councilman Carpenter, that this special meeting
adjourn subject to previous motion for recess. A vote was taken and the motion carried. The meeting
adjourned at ].1 A.M.
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COUNCIL CHAMBERS
OCTOBER 17, 1966
$000 P.M.
The Council met pursuant to recess- and acknowledgment of notice in the following form:
We, the undersigned Xpyor and Members of the City Council of the City of Caldwell, Idaho, do hereby
acknowledge notice of a Recessed Meeting of the said City Council to be held in the Council Chambers in the '
City Hall in the City of Caldwell, Idaho, at the hour of S:DO P.M., on the 17th day of October, 1966, for th�;
transaction of all business in connection with the following object: New and unfinished business.
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Witness our signatures this 17th day of October, 1966.
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Mayor H. E. "Coley" Smith presiding. _
Upon Roll Call, the follu-,,Lng Councilmen answered present: William S. Harrison, James W. "Bill" r
Keys, C. A. "Chet" Davenport and V. Jay Martin.
Audit for 966
r. Alvin Bates, representing Jackson, Messuri ?. Hunt, Certified Public Accountants, aoueared
before the Council and asked for a renewal of the present Audit Contract at the same rate as last ,year.
After a brief discussion a motion was made by Councilman Martin, seconded by Councilman Davenport that the
Audit Contract be renewed for the period January 1966 thru December December 196--. A vote was taken and i